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„International“ Temporary Restricted Areas (in Europe) shown incorrectly / misleading.


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Jan von Hassel
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Several times I had the experience, that temporary RAs (e.g. for military exercises) that were announced by (national) NOTAMs giving a huge circle around a specific location were also shown in neighbour countries, where they are clearly not valid. For example a Czech TRA for sure has no relevance in German or Polish airspace, as the authorities of one country do not have legal competence in another country. Such false map-markings in the not affected country are misleading and confusing. If there really are multi-national TRAs (which may rarely be the case), then the respective national parts of it would be published in each nation‘s own NOTAMs, adding up like a puzzle.
Therefore I highly recommend to create an algorithm, that the highlighted TRA on the map ALWAYS ends at the borders of the respective country which issued this specific TRA - even if the original NOTAM specifies a huge circle that reaches beyond this countries borders.
People said: the marking on the map is as unprecise, as the NOTAM itself may be. That‘s not a valid argument: The NOTAM legally assumes, that its validity ends at the borders, therefore they should be read and interpreted accordingly. So should SkyDemon do.
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Sorry, I thought we were talking about restricted areas? The ones in the screenshots are notifications of glider flying activity (I am not disputing they are inappropriately sized).
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It affected a Polish military TRA on the same day as well - as I mentioned in my FB-posting. I only have these dated screenshots where the wrong TRA is not included as it was around 50nm to the north of that screenshot area.

Anyway: That should be sufficient to illustrate the issue.

I do not know if there is a NOTAM archive in the internet, if so, check those from 09th of May this year and compare to what was displayed in SD that day, if that is reproducable.

By the way: I observe that effect frequently, so there will surely be a chance to see that effect live - if somebody should really be interested in the problem and intend to find a solution (instead of just arguing against the complaint).
Edited 6/27/2024 5:56:16 PM by Jan von Hassel
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Jan von Hassel - 6/26/2024 7:59:31 AM
Tim Dawson - 6/26/2024 9:09:07 AM
Jan von Hassel - 6/26/2024 3:17:52 PM
grahamb - 6/26/2024 4:18:06 PM
Jan von Hassel - 6/26/2024 6:05:18 PM
                         Thanks for joining the forum today. Will be very sad to see you go. 🤦...
erchegyia - 6/26/2024 7:32:14 PM
                             Very qualified answer for an aviation IT expert, Mr. Erchegyi. Is that...
Jan von Hassel - 6/26/2024 9:22:08 PM
                         No, not an official, just a happy user. Your idea has merit, but I...
grahamb - 6/27/2024 6:36:11 AM
                             Ok - but I do not see how correcting a dataset at the provider could...
Jan von Hassel - 6/27/2024 7:52:37 AM
                             you can pre-compute this with easy. It's not a valid reason not to do...
rvt - 6/28/2024 3:45:34 PM
Tim Dawson - 6/27/2024 9:13:58 AM
Jan von Hassel - 6/27/2024 12:49:04 PM
Jan von Hassel - 6/27/2024 12:49:45 PM
                     Hello, For your information the Facebook group is just a user...
pgroell - 6/27/2024 3:08:18 PM
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